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What do you think about time?
Do we have an answer after thousands of years of wandering in the dark?
Welcome to timephysics.com blog
What do you think about time?
Do we have an answer after thousands of years of wandering in the dark?
When time is present motion is present.
Forces also act in time.
So time is presence of motion and forces.
What do you think?
If time = the presence of motion and forces and these are funtions of matter/particles, can we say that time = the presence of matter? Doesn’t the same thing apply to space?: Space is the presence of matter?
Can we say that time = change?
Can time exist in a universe consiting of just a single particle, say, a neutrino? Can this solitary neutrino even be said to spin? Can space be said to exist in such a universe?
If time slows with velocity and a photon has absolute velocity and therefore absolute time dilation does it exist timelessly? What to us is a 13 billion year journey from the most distant quasar would be instantaneous from the photon’s reference frame.
You state that if the future and past exist alongside the present then the universe would be teaming with time travellers from advance civillizations. That statement is dependent on a whole suite of assumptions most of which are unsustainable. Primarily it depends on the concept of progress whether in terms of biological evolution or cultural change but any such changes have no objective measure of advancement or improvement. Such judgements are always subjective and an alternative opinion is not far away. Is a car an advance on a horse and buggy? To most people, yes. To a piece of road kill, no.
There is no valid reason to suppose that our culture is on a path of advancement or that whatever path it is on will last for long.
We have absolutely no idea if a species similar to ourselves exists or will ever exist anywhere in space or time. We have only one example of life (Earth) and only one example of a species (out of hundreds of millions)that makes complex machines. There is no reason to assume that an “intelligence niche” is an inevitable consequence of a living planet.
Many different point of views regarding time. I do have a very reductionist approach and I agree that mine is just one of many opinions regarding time. Only time and future experimental evidence will tell what becomes the accepted truth in future.
I believe that time is presence of motion and forces which is caused by expansion of space. I do not know what is space that will be another thing to ponder about.
Would it be possible to predict specific novel physical effects from these theories?
For example would you observed something unusual in the space directly between two masses moving apart in opposite directions?
Should there be a directional differential to the expansion of universal space as felt from Earth’s perspective that would give measurable effects?
According to this theory moving objects will drag photons as space will be curved by motion. Simplest experiment would be to observe the effect of moving plasma on a beam of light. This will cause the light to accelerate this effect is already known in plasma physics experiments but interpreted differently.
Directional difference?
At atomic level expansion of space will slow in front (of the atomic particle) and increase behind it creating time diffrential which will cause motion to sustain. This may extend to macro, level as earth is surrounded by curved space which moves with earth. This moving curvature should interact with the expanding universe and should cause expansion to slow in front and increase behind the moving wave. This effect is more like frame dragging predicted by Einstein. This should drag photons along.
oops, i mean. I LOVE TIME & SCIENCE.
i believe that time began with the big bang. what do you guys think?
Hi.. I have very little physics knowledge. If we say that the twin paradox does not exist then how is it atomic clocks age differently with motion and/or gravity. Just say there is a phone capable of communicating at great distances and the twins keep in contact with each other. Will they be able to speak properly or will one twins voice come out super fast and the other’s super slow.
Also, you said in your Summary that planets do not leave a dent when they move on. But in your links page there is yet another link to another page http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060124_spacetime_dent.html which says that a dent has been confirmed. So which in your opinion is true?
On a totally different note, with all these mysterious phenomena which makes us seem so small, do you think “we” actually “exist” as intrinsinc entities or are we just chance manifestations of consciousness randomly created for small moment in time (whatever time is!)
Oh and one more thing you said in your Summary that there would be time reversal in a contracting universe. Doesn’t that contradict with what you said that there is no past or future and therefore time travel is not possible?
Twin paradox exists only if you think that each twin will think that the other one is has slower time. This concept show that motion through space is a real and absolute. Moving objects have slower time. So moving twin will have slower time. The non moving twin will have normal time so there is no paradox. In relativity there is paradox as each twin thinks that others time is slower therefore the paradox.
Massive objects planets and lack holes dent the space. However when the object moves on the dent in space moves with it. The space behind normalizes and no dent remains behind. This shows that space is elastic.
ABOUT PAST AND FUTURE:
If you believe there that past present and future exist together in different time dimensions then you believe in the block universe theory. I believe only present exist and there are no other dimensions where past and future exist and where we could possibly travel to.
If time reverses then time will playback one moment at a time. All the different times (past present and future) will not exist together.
COMMUNICATING TWINS:
If instant communication was possible between twins then the moving twin will have lower frequency having slower time. This would be totally unrelated to Dopler shift.
Thanks. So one last question. Do you think an experiment could be done to see if frequencies were different. Say in a plane travelling at Mach 3 and communicating with a control tower. Would there be a perceptible difference in frequency?
Mach 3 is still a very low speed as compared to the speed of light. However dopler shift possibly can be measured with very sensitive instruments. As for changes in frequency due to slower time is theoretically possible.
If a body is in motion with respect to the body it is at rest and time decreases. Is it true?
In pondering this it seems to me that time envolves at it’s most basic level: The ingredients of (what we call) physical matter and it’s movement or ability to shift. Matter is something that we can see and is of great importance to us, and rightfully so. But our our ability to percieve in this rhelm may only beg the question as to what other realities and perceptions (Christian for me) we are capeable of.
Thanks for this forum
if time were to stop, how long would it stop for?
1) interesting site. i’m not much of a physicist – differential geometry kicked my butt. but, something about fourier (or was it laplace? can’t remember) analysis always intrigued me: a given signal, say A*sin(2*pi*w) tranforms to frequency domain as .5*A at -w and .5*A at w. i always took this to imply that half the signal is travelling forward in time and half is travelling backward in time. granted, there’s a difference between math and reality . . . but, light has a frequency, so . . . just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this?
2) i always took the planck length to be “the shortest possible” distance in space. i.e. space is discrete not continuous. would this imply that time, as well, is discrete?
3) i would argue that time travel is possible – aren’t we all travelling into the future at the rate of 1 second per second?
I absolutely agree with your assertion that time does not exist. Time is not like a river that flows from the future, through the present to the past, and we could not “travel in time” if only we had the technology to build a time machine. The past is only our memory of how the present used to be, and our memories are an adaption that enable us to live more succesful lives.
Popular culture and popular science encourage us to think in terms of time being the fourth dimension, that things are “in” the past or future as if it were a place that could be visited. In a recent episode of Doctor Who, one of the main characters was shifted in time one second out of phase with her colleagues so that they could not interact. This is an interesting concept, but when armed with a clearer understanding of the nature of time, it is exposed as a ridiculous fiction.
If we admit that there is no such thing as time then we will have no problems with ideas like the grandparent paradox(where you go back in time and kill your grandparents, therefore removing yourself from existence).
I think I understand your theory on an instinctive level though I must admit that I struggle a little with the more esoteric concepts. For example(if I understand correctly) you say that movement of a mass through space causes the slowing of time because of it’s interaction with an expanding universe. But if it was moving through empty space and you did not have a datum to measure it from, how would you be able to discern if it was moving at all ? And if you did have a datum how would you know if it was the datum itself that was moving and not the object being observed? Surely this would have an important effect on the outcome?
Your website has definitely opened my eyes, and I feel I am a little closer to understanding the universe we live in, though not nearly as much as I’d like.
Thanks for your comments.
Time motion and forces are due to expansion of space. Motion and forces induced by expanding space on a mass is constant. Therefore if we increase the velocity of the mass then internal (atomic) motion slows down and forces weaken. This we see as slowing of time.
Matter does not move through space unless some force “moves” it.
Light moves through space with time. Does this mean that c is the speed of expansion as well as the speed of light?
Towards the end you say;
………….”reversing the time differential and producing repulsive gravity thus completing the missing symmetry.”
I think that the universe is a steady state system and there is an equivalent area of contraction (and a sort of reverse time).
Black holes may be more than gravitation………maybe reversed time and contracting space.
Present time is the watershed between past and present.
The narrow dividing line between past and present was expanded by the “creation event” (the big bang…) which initated a complex resonance of the watershed point.
Nothing exists other than Place and Time. All “matter” is our perception of a resonating Present Time watershed.
Gravity, for instance is a long frequency resonance element of the spectrum, resulting in a weak force with a long reach. Stronger forces with higher frequency resonance display a shorter reach.
As you drill down to the ultimate constituants of matter, each element displays aspects of resonance and harmonics with shells of standing waves giving the illusion of solidity. Look at the simple example of magnetic lines of force and you can see a standing wave in action.
There are many other clues, such as “magic numbers” within the periodic table which point to the fundamental significance of resonance.
The past is gone and the future has not yet happened… we need to learn to play in Present Time. That is where we are and in this place times arrow resonates in a magnificent symphony, rather than a dull progression from birth to death.
You cannot eliminate the concept of time by attributing it to the “expansion of space”. How would you measure the expansion if time did not exist ? Time is a canonic quality of the universe along with space and matter and cannot be eliminated. Trying to replace the concept of time with velocity or “expansion” is tautological since velocity = space/time.
BTW – when you move inside a black hole, i.e., cross the event horizon, time and space are reversed. It is a natural consequence of general relativiry. The quantity of time is complementary to the concept (quantity) of space and cannot be eliminated.
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Even if you try to hide it in a 4th space dimension xo and the speed of light as t = xo/c, it is still there. Do we have a free will to argue that ?
That is an excellent question. How do we know about time? If we look into a room which has no time we will imagine that nothing will be moving including the hands of the clock. We know about time mainly because of motion (I am not talking about velocity yet.)
Man had a need to measure this motion because he noticed some motions are faster then others. So for comparing motions he came up with a standard of motion which was derived as a fraction of the rotation of the earth which we call a day. So he arrived at a measure of motion called a second or minute etc. When we are measuring a motion we are just comparing it with this standard motion which we have started calling time. For example a bullet moves at 1000 ft per second just means that as the bullet moves through 1000 ft our clocks second hand moves through a certain distance 1/60th of a circle. Mankind however became so smart that they forgot that original connection and started thinking that time has some special existance.
Let us approach this in a different way. Our most real feeling of time is the “present” yet we cannot measure the present. We can only measure the past and the future. For example if you are going to attend a 2 hr meeting in future or you attended such meeting in past you know its duration. You can measure distance and you can measure mass but can you really measure time? Measurement of time is only an afterthought.
Another aspect of change in the universe is forces. Forces cause acceleration which again is related to motion and measurement is again by comparison with another standard motion we call second.
What about time as a dimension? I do not believe in that. Just imagine an expanding baloon. Now imagine a small area on the baloon where the baloon is more stiffer or thicker so that it does not expand as easily. As the rest of the baloon expands this stiffer area will remain as a dimple, an area of slower expansion. This dimple should have a measurable depth. The changes in curvature of space are similiar.
Gravitons radiating from masses are double spin particles which interact with space and cause it to become stiff slowing the expansion. This creates a curve in a higher dimension. However this is not a time dimension in which any one can travel. It just happens that motion is slower in this area as motion is due to expansion of space.
How do we measure expansion? Just by comparing change in distance with changes in the distances in the clock which we have started calling time.
The way we think about time is really an illusion. We are surrounded by constant change, motion and forces. We are measuring this change by comparing it with a standard motion which we have created for convenience.
Time is the byproduct of space. Without space there is no time. In this tiny manifested universe we experience time because of relative space and its movements. Events are with in space. It is in conceiveably infinite and still infiniting if iI can say so.It is described depending how we perceive ourselves. I for one believe that I am a perceived reality not a real reality. I am equipped just to feel the way I feel, I am no entity(of course Iam With respect to space and time). With this subtle perception iam driven by my ego that Iam I you are a second person so on and so forth. To put it short,time is transient relative reality.
Many ways to approach time. Philosophical, Physical, reductionist, religious and personal. I believe in a very scientific and reductionist approach in which we leave feelings behind and concentrate on solving the problem. Where there is time there is motion as well as forces. Imagine a place where time froze and we will imagine all motion frozen and all forces gone. Next step is to see under what conditions time is slow. Time is slow where expansion of space is slow and this is a very important observation as this links time to expansion of space. What about the slowing of time with motion. This is easily understood if expanding or stretching of space causes time and amount of time given to a mass is constant then as we increase the velocity of the object the internal motion within the atoms and molecues will slow and this seen as the slowing of time.
I have been reading lots of physics books ie “The Fabric of the Cosmos” by Brian Greene, and “From Eternity to Here” and others. Many of the books raise the question: “why does time seem to have a direction?” The answer in both of these books is that the Second Law of Thermodynamics is the cause. They posit that mathematics does not favor a direction of time since all phsical processes appear reversible according to mathematics. They go on to state that the apparent direction of time is “caused by” the Second Law of Thermodynamics – from the low entropy initial state of the cosmos things trend toward a higher state of entropy. This allows us to experience time as directional and to distinguished past from the present and future.
I would like to make two statements and ask for feedback:
Quantum mechanics attributes to a partical of matter a probability wave that describes its position/momentum. The probability wave collapses when observed. I don’t think that once “collapsed” a particals lose its definite position and momentum and acquires a probability wave if the math is run backwards ie toward the past. This is a case where mathmatics does not seem to treat the past and future as undistinguishable. Therefore the past is distinguishable from the future.
2) The Second Law of Thermodynamics deals with the statistical measurement of the constituents of an enclosed system. The more ways the microscopic elements of a system can be arranged to equate to the same macroscopic configuration of the system, the higher is the Entropy. Extremely low entropy of the early universe degrades to higher entropy toward the future and causes the apparent directionality of time. To me it seems that a statistical measure of a system can not be a cause of the behavior of its constituents – the level of entropy is an emergent phenminon of the underlying system. Describing the tendency of traffic jams to disperse does not explain the behavior of the vehicles.
Greene and Carrol, in their books, accept that the past and future are equivalent and only seem different because somehow the Second Law of Thermodynamis indicates the direction of the past versus the future. They don’t explain how, or by what mechanism, this is so. 1) and 2) above are alternative means of explaining the apparent directionality of time. They are obviously not the only possibilities. 1) posits a real diffence between past and future. 2) implies that they are really the same but “seem” different because of the measure of entropy.
The answer to the question “is the past different from the future” has profound implications. If the past, present and future all exist as a continuum (ie a four dimensional loaf of space time that exists always in its entirity). What about free will? And if past, present and future already exist, what is the point of it all?? Change is an illusion. I would like to believe that the past does exist (we can trust our memories). The present is the edge of reality. The future is a flux of the contituents of matter, energy, space and time – the probability waves describing their potential states are collapsing in the present moment to form the past. The process resembles a phase state change: the gaseous future condenses into the liquid present and becomes the frozen past. The four dimensional loaf of spacetime (as Greene discusses in “Fabric of the Cosmos) does exist for the past. The present moment represents the “front edge”. Each present moment adds a very thin layer to the “front edge”. The past exists, the future is only potential. The present is where we live.
If you still think there is no distinction between the past, present and future, read this comment backwards. See if that makes any sense. LOL.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I’m no physicist and for quite sometime I’ve been trying to make sense of the universe. However the explanations on the telly etc seem to not make sense sometimes. However, the concept of an expanding universe making present time emergent seems pretty sensible to me.
I like the explanation why there is no repulsive gravity in an expanding universe and the no singularity in a black hole. Because singularities dont sound quite right to me.
No past or future really seems to make sense when reading this. I like the reductionist, just sort the problem out approach.
I cant help wondering where the origin of the expansion of space is, If we were to move towards that original point wouldn’t time slow down more than if we move in the opposite direction? Assuming its a pretty uniform expansion. I dont think we should assume space expands equally in all directions from our viewpoint. Perhaps we are too close to a star to notice any difference.
Great web page, thanks, although,
As a fan of Dr Who I was a little disappointed that I wont ever be able to time travel, or get next weeks lottery numbers.
Thanks for your comment. To understand where is the center of the expansion consider the following two questions: Where is center of the surface of the earth? and Where is the end of the surface of the earth?
As the surface of earth is curved and contineous every place of the surface can be the center of the surface. Similiarly every place is the end also as you just have to turn into a higher (third) dimension and leave the surface. The surface of earth just happens to end right under our feet.
I think the usage of the word “Time” as a noun remains a flaw in critical thinking.
There is no “thing” called “time”. The measurement of the duration of an event describes a process that requires an agreed reference (between humans) for counting intervals. Measurement is a verb that describes what we do.
Why then do we confound ourselves with notions of a thing called “time”? Here is a proposal: “Space-Time” describes two processes rather than one or two “things”.
If we plan to move from point ABC to XYZ and agree on how we are going to measure the duration (or timing) and distance covered (space), in the end we’ve only demonstrated that there was duration and distance covered. Is either process a thing?
Taken to the quantum level, when we attempt to observe what we regard as a single process our observation appears to change what we/machines detect. So what changes? No one has yet developed a measurement of electrons that does not demonstrate this observational influence on the x/y spins. Further still, no one has yet been able to identify the physical properties of the individual electrons that determines which of them get their x-spins changed in the course of having their y-spins measured and which don’t.
We lack the understanding of the processes we are attempting to measure. We can’t measure distance travelled as a single point, nor can we measure duration that lacks an agreed start, end or reference.
Herein is the real paradox: everything is happening instantaneously, everywhere. We want to understand and measure this paradox in ways that are seemingly elusive.
Take, for example, the way our brains work to define the start of an event. A glass of water with a single ice cube floating is said to have “come into being” exactly at the moment when the chunk of ice was dropped in. It’s likely a correct probability distribution over the possible micro conditions of a system like that at a moment.
But I think it’s madness to presume that we can decide exactly when a particular event begins or ends. Even if we could decide that, what then? How is it (exactly) that the medium-sized system we decided to focus on was the glass of water with the ice in it and not, for example, the room in which that glass is currently located, or the freezer where the ice came from or the person who decided to put the ice in the glass in the first place, or the building, or the city, ad infinitum.
“Time” does not exist. We don’t have access to the “past” because it doesn’t exist as a thing and we don’t have access to the “future” for the same reasons. There are probabilities about the future but they cannot be “measured” in the same contexts as distance and duration. They are surmised and estimated by a human brain.
I agree time as we think of does not exist. There is however some process which we are thinking of as time.
Time is possibly an emergent phenomenon secondary to the presence of motion and forces at a very basic level like motion of photon, electromagnetic forces and motion and spin of atoms. We cannot imagine there is time without presence of motion. As our mind tries to make sense of events which arise because of presence of motion and forces it assigns to every event a snapshot in space which becomes part of our memory. These are just memories and there are no places where we could go in the past or the future. We now know motion is slower where expansion of space is slow. That gives us a way to find the cause of this motion. Expansion of space is mot likely cause of the thing we call time. If the total motion (and forces) imparted on a given mass by expanding space is a constant then if we increase the velocity of that mass the motion of atoms electrons will slow and forces within the mass will reduce in proportion and this we see as slowing of time. In this way we can explain slowing of time both around large masses and that caused by increasing the velocity.
The expansion of space around large masses is slower as the gravitons ( a double spin particle ) radiated by mass interact with space and slows the expansion which in turn slows time (motion).
Fundamentially I have a problem with the definition of space as a thing and therefore, as stated prior, time as a “thing” is also troublesome. But the issues with attributing nouns to processes is not as troublesome as the ascertion that motion and time are the same processes.
I think that the measurement of intervals of “timing” (attoseconds to millennium) is an eigenvector of the operator motion. They are related mathematically and motion (or expansion) does not create the process of measuring intervals, which is why our measurements are relative to that which we are observing.
Consider the state vector of the measured system. Something happens to the state vector when the measurement occurs. If a measurement of an observalbe called O is carried out on a system called S, and if the outcome of that measurement is O = @, then whatever the state vector of S was just prior to the measurement of O, the state vector of S just after that measurement must necessarily be an eigenvector of O with an eigenvalue of @.
The effect of measuring an observable must necessarily be to change the state vector of the measured system, to “collapse” it, to make it “jump” from whatever it may have been just prior to the measurement into some eigenvector of the measured observable operator.
Which particular eigenvector it gets changed into is of course determined by the outcome of the measurement which is a matter of probability. It is at this point and at no point other than this one, that an element of pure chance enters into the evolution of the state vector.
What is time?
Answer of question: There has been no incidence of present and future at all at any site of space, all are submerged into their respective depths of the past Hence, time is limited within the respective location of every one, idea of time from the outside of the location of oneself is valueless and the locations of oneself are the present, all other remaining places have dived inside the deeper parts of the past of all i.e. there is no separate time dimension. Therefore, we can’t take the decision that Einstein’s equation is E=Mc2 as I see it is E=Mw2, where w represents the speed of the phenomena (e.g., wave)
See about- http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/hi/einsteins-big-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-201
Also see into- http://shahidurrahmansikder.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/cosmic-answers/
Perhaps the following may add something to the discussion. Way back, people observed birth and death as common events in nature including living creatures and plants but also natural phenomena such as storms, fire, sounds or ripples in the water as a stone is cast in it. They invented the concept of time to describe the flow of events occurring between birth and death. The accumulation of all observations, experiences, thoughts emotions, etc. between birth and death is called life. Hence time (i.e. clock time) is an index describing life. The clock division, as we know it was an arbitrary scale that was associated with another observable, namely day and night and cyclical behavior of the seasons.
As such, the concept of time was very useful to humankind because it allowed for internal organization of individual’s thoughts and memories (life) and also in communicating these to others. Similarly, this concept of time was the foundation of Newtonian physics and its derived modern technology.
Once observations thoughts and ideas are extended beyond the boundaries of human life and human involvement, either at the quantum or the cosmic scale, time (clock) loses its meaning. We tend to fall into the trap of pre Galilean’s era of placing the earth in the center of the universe. We, of course, wish to stay out of this trap, and we attempt to be “objective” observers, removing ourselves from the processes that we observe etc. The fact is that all of our observations are done from our own perspective, our own location, our own immersion in our daily concept of time and space, our own bounded existence and our dependence upon our self created tools and technologies. This fact invariably introduces an observer bias to the system we are observing.
Time and space are value laden concepts in our daily life. If we can imagine a universe without Earth or any other “intelligent” life, the concepts of time and/or space lose their value and actually lose their meaning. The universe and all it involves is not “concerned” with time, space, motion, forces etc.
My conclusion is that while all of these concepts are useful and interesting to us as it is experienced daily through the contributions of science and technology to human comfort and potential destruction, they have nothing to do with the universe either at the quantum level or at the cosmic level. In some sense they are helpful to US in gaining some appreciation of the processes of nature by relating these processes to our life measures and life scales but in the broad, humanly independent sense, they are meaningless.
what will happen if for some body time stops?will the narrow line b/w past and future that we called present widens?that person will be able to move with speed of light or greater than light?or for light time doesnt exist?if some body think about it plz kindly replay
Your theories make a lot of sense but I have a question. If time is an emergent phenomena due to the expansion of space, doesn’t that mean space must be able to expand “outside of time”? Its expansion causes time, but without time the expansion of space is meaningless isn’t it?
Can someone answer this question: “Time” is based on the Earth’s rotation around the sun, broken down into months, days, etc. Fine and dandy. But how is “time” measure before there was an Earth and sun? If one says the universe is 15 billion years old, what is the measurement based on?
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Dennis
i think time is due to motion..if all thing stop moving..all stars all rotaion stops..then how can we deduce that time is runing…time is measured by clock..take example of analog clock..as long as the sec pointer is moving we can measure time and say time is runing but if it stops..then how can one say time is runing..think it in braoder way if all thing stops..then how can we say time is runing…
It seems our perception has a great deal to do with our reality of understanding the concept of time. There are different laws of perception at different geographical points. for example, the person observing from the earth and another person observing from a moving spaceship. What does this tell us? Is it not time, but the material universe and how we perceive it in relation to anything outside of ourselves? So, is the universe a projection of consciousness as some have theorized? What about the experiments in Quantum Physics of the shooting of the photon through the slits, when we are observing and when we do not observe? We are babies still in our evolution and development of consciousness, but, we are also at an evolutionary point of growth and transformation that has already begun.
under that information that is posted by dennis, that is mans creation to put a placement of measure with how we relate to our world. That is not how we relate to time and to each other in actuality, only how we can percieve the flow of time.
I will be spouting a bit of philosophy that has been in existance for a few thousand years, about 3000 bc I would say with the older shamanistic / voduon religions, so if you are against those things I give feel free to bypass my post.
New age physics speak of the brain as the organ that helps us move through time and percieve time, as well as information dealing with the partical wave theory or some such in order to help us understand it.
wrong organ.
To help understand some things I will say I explain this. A childs heart beats faster naturally than an adult, and also the elderly. These are the three stages of life that you can really see drastic changes in movements (speed). To an adult, children seem to bounce off the walls with energy. To the elderly, children will seem to move so fast. Conversely the elderly to a child will seem to be very lethargic, and adults seem to be sluggish. The faster heartbeat literally means they are currently moving through time at a faster pace than the elderly, whom are moving through time rather slowly. They are less present in this few moments of time than a young person. I Am finding this a little hard to explain.
To say it other ways, a runner training for the olympics often runs constantly. The purpose is to move as fast as possible, of course. How this is done is to run faster with a slower heartbeat, or even just as fast with a slower heartbeat. No this is not backwards.
This is what it would look like were the runner to have a fast heart beat.
. . . . . . . . heartbeat, that many pulses to reach that distance.
. . . . slower, that many pulses to reach that distance.
the only thing is it is so fast, we do not see breaks in their energy body. For information on the energy body, see meditative and astral travel principles. For those science buffs that disbelieve in that type of thing, physics to this day I believe know that the body is made up of energy, and have it at the atomic level. Too bad for you to disbelieve.
Now to get to the real information.
Each individual person moves through time at the rate of their heartbeat. They can move faster and slower, but not backwards, it is an absolute value, you can only go forwards.
Perception is a different thing, and you can percieve the past, and to an extent possibilities of the future, but that requires a person to learn how and that I wont cover here.
Say you are a child with a fast heartbeat, interacting with that very old person that moves through time at a much slower rate. While perception will show that the younger person is moving quickly, it is truth. That child is present and doing and able to do much much more in the span of say, 3 seconds according to how we measure time, than an older person.
I have given you the basic backgrounds of what it means to move through time on an individual basics. I have no need to chop it up, dissect it, put it in mathematical terms and equations, and or say it in big words few people could understand.
Also forgive me but I rarely speak with anyone on much of anything save select people I know, not people I dont know on a blog I do not know who reads
our heart stops, our time stops.
grr. sorry, but under the pulses example, the blog took out the spaces that should have been there, imagine extra spaces between the four dots to lengthen it out to the same as the one above
This website is interesting…..
I am a researcher; Like so many of us, who ponder, i recognize:
Time is acceleration
No acceleration – No change- No time (effect)
Acceleration creates space (difficult to digest ?)
Past and Future are concepts, arising
due to memory and imagination
Past cease to exist – you cannot go back
- when you go back , you will again create time (you have
to accelerate)
You cannot go into future – but you will go,
if you accelerate (& therfore create the future, which
is again your then present)
You can measure time & mostly to an arbitrary accuracy
thru, counting of periodic /repeated motion
Because the universe continue to always create a future,
arrow moves in one direction (our own sense)
Thank You
I have given some thought to the nature of dimensions and what it really means when we say 3D space or 4D spacetime.
Can you talk about the existence of more than one given object, say, a one dimensional line,without invoking a second dimension?
I would like to try and show how by extrapolating logically from lower , one and two Dimension examples, that the world we live in is actually 4 spacial dimensions. Not the 3 space and one time,that is commonly cited.
One entry I read in this forum talked about Einstien “explaining away” time. I think so too. I once read that Einstein said that time is a construct of the human mind.
I think that when relativity “realised” that time and space are one and the same, what that really means is that us , we, 3D beings “see” the 4th spacial Dimension as time.
Lets go back to the line. If there is one line , and only one line, then you have a single object with the capacity to house an infinite amount of points. Notice that the length of the line is irrelevant because a line of any distance whatsoever has the same amount of points within it: infinite.
The concept of one line is very important because we all have a tendancy to “picture” objects “in space” or “on a surface”. When I talk about a single object, then that object would represent an entire universe. Our freind the line is not suspended in space or on a paper or other surface, it just is.
So the line consists of infinite points, and it must have infinite points. In order to have any less than infinite points, the only possibility is to have one point. Once there two points you have “space” between them and that space MUST be a line, in other words, when you go from one point to two points, by definition you now have a single object of the next higher dimension, in this case, a line. And to be redundantly clear, once there are two points , the distance between them becomes an infinity because it can always be divided.
Instead of going through that whole exercise for a two dimensional surface ( you can just replace the word “point” with “line” and the word “line” with “2D surface”) lets just jump to 3 Dimensions.
If in fact there exists a 3D object, and only one, you could be sure of length, width, and depth. You can visualize a box, if you like, or a sphere, but remember, only one. Not a box sitting in space or say the earth in its orbit. This universe is a 3D object. So now its time to introduce a second 3D object. Another box? An atom? It does’nt matter. Remember our freind the line? The points within that line could not discern the size of the line, only that there was room for infinite points.
We say our world is 3Dimensional, but how can this be? If the space between two points is a line, and the space between two lines is a surface, how can the space between two 3 dimensional objects continue to be only 3 dimensions.
We “observe” events as they pass by us, yet these events are just our limited perception of 4D space. If your body passed through a flatlander’s surface feet first, the flatlander would percieve your entire body in stages, not aware of the depth. The flatlander would say our body was a series of events.
So it is the same for us 3D objects as it is for our freinds the lines and the points. Just like the infinite points that the line consist of, we find ourselves in a vast limitless world of objects where size has no meaning.We can see from our 3D perspective that a line is just a line, and our math tells us there must be an infinite amount of points in it, but the points within that line has no such perspective.
I believe that we only think that we are “seeing ” the” edge” of our universe when we look into the cosmos, but that edbge is simply the bounds of our understanding, just as in the past ,when the greatest minds in the world were sure the earth was flat or that it was the center of the universe, we once again are fooling ourselves into thinking we’ve figured out the reality of the cosmos by way of the Big Bang, but I believe running the “clock” back wards, resulting in a big crunch is an oversimplification. Maybe through better understanding of dimensions can we take the next step.
So just imagine yourself as a point on a line. even though that line may be one one billionth of an inch long, the point does’t know or care, because it doesn’t matter to him.
That point has an infinite amount of neighbors. There can be a neighbor 10 to 21st power to his left and there can be 5000 neighbors just 10 to the 100th power on the other side. Its n infinite landscape for points.
There are no bounds. Just as a line on a page can be an inch from the edge, that line can have a neighbor sixteenth of an inch on the other side. But between the line that is one sixteenth inch away there can be an infinite amount of other neighbors at ever decreasing distances.
Hi, thanks for the interesting page.
I’ll just add in another perspective.
As we are effectively talking about the “language” the human mind uses to make sense of the universe, couldn’t we just as easily describe everything from the perspective of time rather than motion. For example if the matter around us has come from somewhere, and at this moment we are only experiencing the matter that is immediately interacting with us, then all matter that is outside our present experience could be said not to exist, in the same way that you are saying that past or future is being said not to exist?
The measure “time” is a useful tool like the measure “distance”. Just because humans have used motion (space and time) to propose a measure “time” in any number of seemingly primitive or clunky ways, doesnt mean that by losing those definitions we arrive at anything closer to the truth. The statement that our memories exist in the “present” is really solid, but why even use the concept of the “present”. That is just our way of once again saying that our view is limited, both in “space”, “time” or whatever we want to call it.
You probably get the idea that my feeling is that Cosmology is largely about convincing other people with clever or elegant language and labels.
Perhaps time is consciousness. Without consciousness there is no time, without creature consciousness it goes un-recognised. So I think to answer the question of what time is we must fully understand consciousness. In a sense time is a dimension through which we move consciously, in this way we recognise its dimension and measure change. Like a surface that we can navigate over, but not through, in any direction. But the surface is complete and present. Time travel may be possible by some greater understanding of consciousness that will allow us to pass through the surface of the dimension of time. I think the physical motion of the body through time is irrelevant to time travel. It will involve a tuning of the mind to a time frame that is always there because all time is equally present. That’s just my two cents.
In brief my thoughts on TIME are:
In Physics:
A clock is any reasonably consistent repetitious motion that can be used to measure another motion.
Meaningful measurement requires a human or some other life form.
Time is a mental construct that is dependent upon the existence of clocks and a thinking entity.
Space-time is just a useful model and not a physical reality.
Time is just a very useful and very necessary mental tool.
In common experience:
The stuff of existence is always in motion.
We can never have real mental contact with the physical “now”.
The “now” is an ever changing continuum of every particle and every glob of stuff in the universe including all relative motions and all relative positions in space. The universal now is the total now, but we are only privileged to perceive very small sub-portions that come to us as records
impinging on our sensory processes, and passed on to our memory and
the rest of our brain.
Everything we perceive is a record. What we call “now” is really sets of records that represent relative states of stuff that no longer exist at some level. This may be the macro level, molecular level, atomic level, or quantum level. In some way the now has changed even though we may not perceive that change.
Delays are inherent in the transmission and processing of these records.
The delays cause our perceptions to exist sequentially after the real existence of the sub-portions of stuff and relative attributes.
Therefore, we have no real contact with the now.
What we call the present is really the past.
What we call the past is also composed of our perception of “Records”. There are many types of records such as our memories, fossils, sedimentary rock formations, light traveling to us from a distant star.
What we call the future is just a mental projection based on records that we have perceived and saved as memories.
We are creatures that truly live mentally in the past even though it is usually a very recent past mixed with less recent memories.
We humans and other animals need the concept of time to think. The very beating of our hearts is a clock. The day night sequence is a clock. We are immersed in an environment that consists of a vast multitude of clocks. Our brains and our bodies have evolved over millions of years of exposure to clocks. That is why the concept of time is very deeply embedded in the way our nervous system works and the way our languages make it difficult to express ourselves without referencing the time concept in some way.
We are the true time-machines.
We, using clocks, have created that which we call time in order
to attempt an understanding of our environment.
Time is a shorthand term for relative motion.
Change is not a physical thing. Change is a perception. Change is always the result of motion. Our aging is the result change.
Apart from time:
Anything that exists is energy.
The universe is constructed of three general categories of energy and those are “Stuff”(consisting of many types of sub-stuff), “Space”, and “Motion”. The types and behavior of sub-stuff are very complex and compose the body of study we call physics and other studies.
Stuff moves in Space. Stuff and Space are mutually dependent and define each other.
Stuff is always in varying degrees of motion and this variance is due to
transformations of stuff into motion and motion into stuff.
Under certain conditions certain types of sub-stuff can transform into space and vice versa. This transformation is apparent at the quantum level.